[Date Prev][Date Next] [Chronological] [Thread] [Home]

Re: Philosophy general debate



To reply to this message or start a new topic please email: BUPS-DIS@bups.org


Hi,

I'm not sure what i've said about question-begging has been addressed. Perhaps it is too controversial to call implicit question-begging by that title. (I understand a form of implicit question begging to be where one tries to counter a proposition - however false - by simply making a claim that requires the denial of the presuppositions of that propositions. Those presuppositions need removing via a separate argument.)

To get rid of what i'm saying someone has to argue either that an argument following a form that I have called (following Wright[2000], amongst others - try McKinsey[?1997]*) 'implicit question-begging' can suceed in being cogent - that your opposition would be compelled by reason to accept it...

OR work out why someone might hold that 'not all trees are plants' and argue (with due care and attention to question-begging issues) that those reasons are spurious somehow. If they have no reasons, then as much as you might convince the rest of the world, you won't convince the tree-semantics-sceptic. You don't need to convince me because i've already convinced myself and agree with you.

*I find AGs notion of empirical evidence quite astounding that we have empirical evidence for the proposition that trees are plants - surely its a conceptual claim? Perhaps he is trying to say that we have evidence that we have evidence that people operate under acceptence of this conceptual claim - he's not wrong. He and I do, and I suppose most do. However, all this shows is that *we* hold a claim that is contra to the tree-semantics-sceptic. This doesn't apply 'reasonable force' to the sceptic to relinquish his (ludicrous) proposition - and that is surely our aim.

Cheers,
Daniel

P.S. I get the impression (as yet not secure) that much of what is at stake here has been found in Wittgenstein's PI and RFM by Kripke in 'Wittgenstein on Rules and Private Language' (1982), and has been discussed since then by McDowell, Petit, Wright and loads more.




Browse or search the BUPS-DIS archives, or unsubscribe from the mailing list at: http://www.bups.org/mailinglist.shtml