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Lucid Dreaming?
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- Subject: Lucid Dreaming?
- From: Edward Grefenstette <egrefen@gmail.com>
- Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:37:31 +0000
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I was introduced to the term Lucid Dreaming by someone I wouldn't
exactly trust for anything scientific, as he/she has displayed a
tendency for falling for any spiritualist nonsense, however I've run
into (or rather "talked into") discussions on the matter with several
other people since then, some of them trustworthy scientists (some of
them even oxbridge dons... although that's not necessarily a
guarantor of validity/trustworthiness :), and must admit that for all
my skepticism, I cannot help but be a bit curious about the topic.
For those unfamiliar with the topic, "lucid dreaming" is a proto-
science (in the kuhnian sense of a theory which follows scientific
method but, being in its infancy or embryonic state, has not been
[entirely] validated [yet]) which is surrounded by a lot of pseudo-
science, and deals with the state of being in a dream whilst being
conscious of oneself being in a dream. This, obviously, not the same
thing as simply remembering ones dream, or having a realistic dream.
My skepticism on the matter stems from the fact that it seems that
the only validating experiment is observable only from the standpoint
of personal experience, and therefore does not really conform to the
scientific method maxims of repeatability (the conditions change from
individual to individual, since the act of perception is not only
central to any experimental observation, but who is observing and
when is as well). However I'm informed there have been some
experiments on the matter carried out at Stanford by S. LaBerge,
which attempt to avoid the "internalization" of observation, and
produce scientifically verifiable (replicable) results. Such
experiments have involved detecting REM phases in sleeping test
subjects, and either trying to prompt lucid dreaming through photonic-
flash cues, or simply detecting pre-arranged cues from the subject
while they are in a "certifiable" dream (REM) state (I say
"certifiable" because I recall reading in some paper or other that
recent research demonstrates our ability to dream in non-REM sleep
states).
While as a (would be) scientist, I find this to be a lot less dodgy
method for investigating the existence and essence of lucid dreaming,
rather than taking someone's word for it, it's still very
unsatisfactory, since it really doesn't tell us much (or anything at
all, if you want to be rigorous about it) about what lucid dreaming
is, and is like. This is a shame, since I believe there's quite a lot
of interesting philosophy to be done on the matter (which, I suppose,
it a rather obvious statement). For example, we have the notion of
self, which we use to differentiate the thinking entity (oneself)
from the object of thought, or potential objects of thought
(basically, the external world... although I'm fully aware that this
becomes problematic if you ask what we are thinking about when we
think about concepts that bear no possible physical tokens). However,
what is it like to be fully self-conscious within a dream, when the
dream itself is something that is in the mind. What is it to have
intentional states about an external environment which is in fact
internal? Are the waking me on one hand, or the intentional,
conscious me in a lucid dream on the other hand, the same person, or
is the latter just a fraction of the former?
Has anyone else looked into the topic at all? Whether you have or
not, I'd be very happy to hear from you if you have any recommended
reading on or around the topic, or have any thoughts on the matter
that you'd like to share.
All the best,
Edward.
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